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If This Goes On (Don't Panic) is a podcast about hope and resistance in Science Fiction and Fantasy. Cohosts Alan Bailey, Cat Rambo, Diane Morrison, and Graeme Barber interview a diverse breadth of writers, editors, activists, gamers, and various other members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy community.

Past guests include:

  • Charlie Stross
  • P. Djeli Clark
  • Bill Campbell
  • Tobius Buckell
  • Cadwell Turnbull
  • James Morrow
  • Malka Older
  • Ellen Datlow


Jul 29, 2020

In this episode, Alan and Cat interview Cadwell Turnbull, author of The Lesson. They discuss what it means to have righteous goals as a writer, how The Lesson reflects current politics, and why his aliens are so damn violent.

Find The Lesson here: The Lesson

We also review:

Dominion: An Anthology of Speculative Fiction from Africa and the African Diaspora edited by Zelda Knight and Donald Ekpeki published by Aurelia Leo

Exile by Lisa M. Bradley published 2019 by Rosarium Press

A Punk Rock Future edited by Steven Zisson published by Zsenon Publishing 2019