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If This Goes On (Don't Panic) is a podcast about hope and resistance in Science Fiction and Fantasy. Cohosts Alan Bailey, Cat Rambo, Diane Morrison, and Graeme Barber interview a diverse breadth of writers, editors, activists, gamers, and various other members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy community.

Past guests include:

  • Charlie Stross
  • P. Djeli Clark
  • Bill Campbell
  • Tobius Buckell
  • Cadwell Turnbull
  • James Morrow
  • Malka Older
  • Ellen Datlow


Feb 14, 2022

In this episode, Cat and Alan chat with author Cadwell Turnbull. They discuss Cadwell's novel No Gods, No Monsters, the inspiration for his monsters, and why it's important to keep questioning yourself.

Alan also chats with Oghenechovwe Donald Ekpeki about what it's like trying to get into a US MFA program from Nigeria.